My Ford 300 Engine Build

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My Ford 300 Engine Build

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When I first bought the truck, I immediately had the V8 swap mentality... and then I got to really like driving the truck... and then I got to really like pushing the engine to its limits... and then I wanted more. Eventually, the engine needed to come out for a re-seal at minimum, but that's not how I am. I am really good at overdoing things, and that's what I'm doing with this. Here's my progress so far. I will update as I go. At some point soon it will be at the machine shop to get worked on.

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The head weighed 75lb, and it was stuck on there really good. With it unbolted and the hoist lifting more than the weight of the head, it still took a fair bit of prying to get it off.

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I labelled all the pushrods for reinstallation later, but I've now realized that I wasted my time as not only will I be needing different lengths, but I'm also switching out to 3/8" pushrods.

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My block had the C6AE casting, which I'd never noticed before. So, concerned, I had to settle my worries and confirm that I had a 300. I did. I was happy.

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I searched long and hard to find myself a 240 head. I don't live anywhere near a wrecking yard with anything pre-EFI era so it was actually a really big deal for me to find one. I put it through an electrolysis bath and it came out great. It's bleached look here is from the WD40 that was sprayed on it to get the water out.

However, when I pulled my head off the engine, I discovered that it actually already had a 240 head. It was a bittersweet moment. I was always looking forward to slapping on a 240 head to see what difference it would make. Turns out I already knew.

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I bought these oversized valves from SI Valves as per a recommendation by a user on this forum. They're well made as far I can tell.

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Here they are compared to an OEM valve out of my junkyard head. Quite a big difference. I probably should've gone up to a 2.02" valve as it has better flow up to 0.400" valve lift over the 1.94", but that's just me nitpicking. I'll survive.

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In my recent post, I explained that SI actually discontinued their oversized valves for the 300, so I was forced to buy small block Chevy 1.60" exhaust valves. They're the same other than the 4.911" length. The Ford length is 4.810". I'll make them work.

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Just goes to show how thousandths matter.

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Perspective aside, you can see they're a bit taller.

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They look sexy as hell together though!

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Anyway, onto the bottom end. I got 240 rods for the engine, as this not only allows for a better rod length to stroke ratio or rod angle, which means less piston side loading and therefore less wear on the pistons and the cylinders, but their added length (6.795") compared to a 300 rod (6.210") allows the use of a smaller, lighter piston, (the pistons I ordered only weigh 386g each) which means easier high-RPM. The only downside to this is theoretical, in that with the longer rod it will take longer and also not last as long for the explosive forces of the compression stroke to have maximum leverage on the crankshaft, and since torque is measured by (force) x (distance), I will theoretically not have as much torque as I could've with the shorter 300 rods. What I mean by this is that with a short rod, it doesn't take as much downward piston travel for the rod to kick out at 90 degrees to the crank and apply leverage. Because it doesn't take as long for it to do this, the action starts earlier and therefore lasts longer. That being said, this engine is getting built up for power. I'm not going to notice this effect.

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Here's a diagram I drew up of it. Should you go this route, you'll need small block Ford pistons meant for a 331/347 stroker as those have the smaller ~1.170" compression height. If you go with the early C5AE casting 240 rods like I did, the ones without the piston oil hole, you'll need pistons with a wrist pin diameter of 0.912". The C5AE rods are stronger. The C8AE oil-hole rods are prone to failure at the oil hole in high horsepower/high stress applications.

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And this is what I'm left with.

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Popped the timing cover off. My cam gear is metal, not nylon fiber like I expected it to be. It does say FoMoCo on it and I seriously doubt this engine has ever had someone messing around with its internals. This is indicative to a heavy duty 300. Wouldn't that be a nice surprise to have the forged crank!

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Pulled the camshaft out. For those who don't know, the procedure to remove the camshaft out of a Ford 300 is to pop off the timing cover, rotate the engine until the timing marks line up, remove the fuel pump, turn the engine upside down, remove the two 1/2" camshaft thrust plate bolts which will be behind two of the four holes in the camshaft gear, and then pull the cam out. It shouldn't be stuck in there. Just be careful to not smash the lobes into anything upon removal. Slow and steady.

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I had the engine upside down, pulled the rod caps off, and then tapped on the studs with the wooden handle of a hammer and had my hand underneath to catch the piston and guide it out. It's always a good habit to lay everything out exactly how it was in the block.

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And then the crank. I knew it would be heavy so for extra assurance I had my dad help me take it out to limit the chances of damaging anything. I put it on the bathroom scale. 70 pounds! Another surprise was the main cap bolts. They came out with a sucking noise as if there was a seal, and sure enough there was. Almost 50 years old and the bolts still have assembly lube on them. Amazing.

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And then I was left with a bare block. I took it today to a machine shop to have it hot tanked.

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I have a lot in store for this engine. Stay tuned to find out what happens.
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nice work!

that is interesting that it has the 240 head with the 300 rotating assembly and what looks like a 240 block.

hard to tell from the photos but it looks like the 'wrong' blue... that motor should be the darker blue i think. mine was '68 original dark blue.

i'd have to guess it has been messed with, but impossible to say, i doubt the motor co. would have put the 240 head on or a stroker crank in by mistake.

maybe the bores are oversized? that would be a dead giveaway. what does the VIN say came with the truck? '69 should be a C8 casting number for both 300 and 240, not sure if the 300 would be an 'A' or 'T' casting... information on that is mixed. I have a c8AE 240 and i've seen C8TE 300's but it sounds like some of the 'A' castings found their way into becoming 300's.
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motzingg wrote:nice work!

that is interesting that it has the 240 head with the 300 rotating assembly and what looks like a 240 block.

hard to tell from the photos but it looks like the 'wrong' blue... that motor should be the darker blue i think. mine was '68 original dark blue.

i'd have to guess it has been messed with, but impossible to say, i doubt the motor co. would have put the 240 head on or a stroker crank in by mistake.

maybe the bores are oversized? that would be a dead giveaway. what does the VIN say came with the truck? '69 should be a C8 casting number for both 300 and 240, not sure if the 300 would be an 'A' or 'T' casting... information on that is mixed. I have a c8AE 240 and i've seen C8TE 300's but it sounds like some of the 'A' castings found their way into becoming 300's.
Because the 240 block and the 300 block are the same, Ford would often take surplus blocks and throw them in with the batch simply because they had an extra lying around, and it's been known for older parts of any time to find their way on the newer vehicles, so while my block is a C6AE, indicative of an early 240, all its internals are C8TE, indicative of a 1968+ 300. The only exception is the head, which was in no way done at the factory unless someone was really looking forward to the end of their shift on a Friday. The C6AE, however, is only the engineering number. It only means that the design of the part was initiated in 1966, but it does not mean that the part was actually made in 1966. That's what the date stamp is for. In my case, though, the date stamp on my engine block is (going off memory here as the block is at the machine shop) 8L3, or November 3, 1968. The date for the head is 8K8, or October 8, 1968. Coincidence? Probably. Someone at some point, likely the previous owner, must have put the 240 head on. I also checked every internal and each one, bearings included, is FoMoCo and every spec is to factory spec, not to an overbore. The engine also only has 75,000 miles on it and from what I saw inside, I believe it. You couldn't even catch your fingernail on the top of the cylinder walls. Judging by how old and leaky every gasket was, I will continue to believe that this engine, other than the head, has not been messed with. I also saw no sign of the engine ever being pulled from the truck. When I first bought the truck, it had been sitting for 16 years after the original owner parked it for whatever reason. The P/O, the original owner's grandson who inherited the truck, made an attempt at quickly restoring it, but as far as the engine all he did was slap on some Hedman headers and then give it a quick spray of blue from a rattle can. I've tried to get in touch with the previous owner again on numerous occasions but to no avail. I really would like to ask him some questions and get more history on the truck.
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This is a really cool project, and post on here. I really like to see the inline 6's getting some love. That isn't to say that people's v8 projects are not cool, they are just way more common and frankly for myself personally I prefer the good ole inline 6. So :thup: :thup: 8) !!
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Just to have the skills and knowledge, I am envious. And then to have the resources to do the work, nice. I would love to be able to pull the engine on my 69 just to clean it up and paint as needed. On the 71, would like to get it out to attempt a valve job.
Will remember the suggestion about oversized valves.
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trozei wrote: Because the 240 block and the 300 block are the same, Ford would often take surplus blocks and throw them in with the batch simply because they had an extra lying around, and it's been known for older parts of any time to find their way on the newer vehicles, so while my block is a C6AE, indicative of an early 240, all its internals are C8TE, indicative of a 1968+ 300. The only exception is the head, which was in no way done at the factory unless someone was really looking forward to the end of their shift on a Friday.
oh yeah i hear ya, add that to 50+ years of farmer fixes, kludges and parts swapping... you never know what you'll find when you open up these old engines.

I'm watching this as well, interested to see what you come up with, but i'll follow it on your 'project' thread. good luck!
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Love seeing your build on instagram, nice to see you on board with us
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CrypticRacer13 wrote:Love seeing your build on instagram, nice to see you on board with us
Oh, hey. What's your username?
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Looks great so far. Just got my 300/240 heads running, but got the fuel filter clogged from tank sludge. Good thing I put a clear inline filter before the pump. Just waiting for a day to pull tank and clean it out.
What cam, intake and carb are you looking at?
I would suggest shorty headers, as my long tubes were a pain to fit and more of a pain to run the dual pipes around the tranny crossmember.
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That's true, my headman header rubs the frame, but I just deal with it because I refused to cut the frame. My uncle's 67 he had to smash the number 5 tube of his headman header, and cut the frame to stop it rubbing.
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Nice build! I'm on instragram as well. What's your username?
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I have been working very long hours these past couple weeks and have not had a chance to pick up my engine block from the machine shop and also drop off my cylinder head. No progress to report.
j41385 wrote:This is a really cool project, and post on here. I really like to see the inline 6's getting some love. That isn't to say that people's v8 projects are not cool, they are just way more common and frankly for myself personally I prefer the good ole inline 6. So :thup: :thup: 8) !!
Financially speaking, I don't know why I'm undertaking this project as it makes no sense when compared to other options, but the ol' 300 never let me down and this was my first vehicle so I figure it'll be nice to keep the six. It's also a lot more unique that way. I would literally have people crowd around my engine bay because they are so used to seeing V8 engines that when a six shows up it's a treat.
hillcountryflt wrote:Just to have the skills and knowledge, I am envious. And then to have the resources to do the work, nice. I would love to be able to pull the engine on my 69 just to clean it up and paint as needed. On the 71, would like to get it out to attempt a valve job.
Will remember the suggestion about oversized valves.
I'm learning as I go. I wouldn't exactly call myself the most skilled builder out there. I borrowed the engine hoist from my girlfriend. I don't have one of my own.
WarEagle wrote:Looks great so far. Just got my 300/240 heads running, but got the fuel filter clogged from tank sludge. Good thing I put a clear inline filter before the pump. Just waiting for a day to pull tank and clean it out.
What cam, intake and carb are you looking at?
I would suggest shorty headers, as my long tubes were a pain to fit and more of a pain to run the dual pipes around the tranny crossmember.
As far as I know there are no shorty headers, but there are the OEM 4.9L EFI manifolds which flow just as well as the headers do. I already have Hedman long tubes but I will not be reusing them. I do agree that piping was a pain. To remove my exhaust, I had to remove the transmission crossmember, which is no fun on a lowered vehicle.

I bought a Crower 19212 camshaft which would have been perfect for my previous plan for the build, but I changed my mind and am going a completely different route with it.

I will be using a Ford F600 heavy duty 300 exhaust manifold with a Garrett GT3076R turbocharger plumbed through a Holley HP EFI throttle body on top of an Offenhauser C Series intake manifold modified for multiport fuel injection. I'm also looking into integrating GM LS2 ignition coils.

Therefore, I will contact Crower in the near future with plans to have a custom camshaft ground. I will talk with them about it, but what I had planned thanks to the help of someone online was a camshaft with a 266*/258* advertised duration, 210*/202* duration at 0.050" lift, 212* LSA, 108* ATDC lobe center angle, and valve lift around .450" to give full boost from just below 2500 past 5000 rpm.
j41385 wrote:That's true, my headman header rubs the frame, but I just deal with it because I refused to cut the frame. My uncle's 67 he had to smash the number 5 tube of his headman header, and cut the frame to stop it rubbing.
My Hedman had very little clearance. Thousandths. At idle, the engine would shake enough to cause a very embarrassing rattle.
cole71 wrote:Nice build! I'm on instragram as well. What's your username?
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ahh so you're the same person, thats awesome, i was wondering when you mentioned the big garrett turbo.

well i'm super excited to see what comes of this because A) sounds like you know what you're doing and B) you're taking great pictures.

too many times someone posts questions about an awesome project then just totally disappears.
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Since your build, or the sound of your build plan, doesn't sound like it'll be cheap, you may give some consideration in seeing if you can find a roller cam for the 300. If the cam can be obtained, it's possible to use the roller lifters from a Ford 460 in the 300.

You can run a lot better cam profile, with a roller, that a flat tapped lifter wouldn't begin to be able to follow.

Probably not a cheap conversion and may be difficult to locate a roller cam for a 300 but, might be something of interest to research and check out.

http://fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68115
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ultraranger wrote:Since your build, or the sound of your build plan, doesn't sound like it'll be cheap, you may give some consideration in seeing if you can find a roller cam for the 300. If the cam can be obtained, it's possible to use the roller lifters from a Ford 460 in the 300.

You can run a lot better cam profile, with a roller, that a flat tapped lifter wouldn't begin to be able to follow.

Probably not a cheap conversion and may be difficult to locate a roller cam for a 300 but, might be something of interest to research and check out.

http://fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68115
I saw the post but I don't think it's worth it. Just because I'm spending money doesn't mean I want to spend more than I have to.
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