Found Rubber debri under valve covers!!

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Re: Found Rubber debri under valve covers!!

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The pistons look very wet to me.

I know you want to put this thing together in a hurry, but if it was me, since you have it down this far (and don't know the full condition of the engine) I would go ahead and freshen it up, including tanking the block and replacing the cam bearings.

I would, at minimum, pull the main and rod caps and check the bearings.

For just a few extra bucks, you could have a freshly-rebuilt engine that you would easily sell when the time comes.

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Why is it that there's seldom time to fix it right the first time, but there's always time to fix it right the second time???

That's not an oil leak :nono: That's SWEAT from all that HORSEPOWER!! :thup:
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DuckRyder wrote:It looks infinitely better inside than out.

Is that a steel shim head gasket I see laying in the drive way? Does it have "FORD" on it?
Yeah i was surprised by how nice it is inside. Those are steel shim head gaskets, however i can't find FORD anywhere on them but maybe i missed it.
BobbyFord wrote:Dorman # for the 1 49/64" brass freeze plugs should be 565037 :hmm:, I think
fordman wrote:i had that number on a reciept some place. i dont know where it is to confirm if thats it or not.
I pulled one of mine and took it with me when i got the spark plugs and oil pan gasket, but forgot to take it in and get new freeze plugs! So we will know tomorrow.
BobbyFord wrote:Hey, is that a block heater freeze plug on the right side front? Is the oil pump body aluminum or steel?
Is that what that plug is??? I saw it and couldn't figure out what the heck it is. I guess it will be thrown away though when i put in the new freeze plugs. Speaking of which, how do i put in the new freeze plugs?
70_F100 wrote:The pistons look very wet to me.

I know you want to put this thing together in a hurry, but if it was me, since you have it down this far (and don't know the full condition of the engine) I would go ahead and freshen it up, including tanking the block and replacing the cam bearings.

I would, at minimum, pull the main and rod caps and check the bearings.

For just a few extra bucks, you could have a freshly-rebuilt engine that you would easily sell when the time comes.

Just my :2cents:
The pistons were actually not "wet" like at all. But as i look at the pictures they totally look wet. It's the way the flash bounced off all the particles i think. The material on the pistons was a dry chaulky substance.
This is as far as the engine will be torn down, I simply don't have the money (and time is starting to be an issue) to go any further. I literally have $200 now, and i didn't plan on buying any of the stuff i just bought. That $200 won't last long with gas for the '71 either :(
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Tomorrow i will work on cleaning all the debri out of everything, clearing passage ways, and changing the valve stem seals, and the main seal. Then I'll lay out all the gaskets down and re-assemble, then paint, reassemble that last bit, and it will be isntalled...
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1971ford wrote:Tomorrow i will work on cleaning all the debri out of everything, clearing passage ways, and changing the valve stem seals, and the main seal. Then I'll lay out all the gaskets down and re-assemble, then paint, reassemble that last bit, and it will be isntalled...
Good luck, Kid. This will give you a 'lil bit of 'sperience for your next :thup:
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Yeah if this engine doesn't explode then that will be great! :D
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freeze plug replacement: once you get them out and the surface cleaned up. get a selaer. forma gasket number 1 indian head gasket sealer silicone or others. and put that around the freeze plug and or core hole in the block. then take a socket the same size as the outside rim of the freeze plug and tap the freeze plugs into the block until they are seated like the old ones are. let the sealer dry for a recommended time before using the engine.
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The freeze plugs for the block are 1-49/64" NOT 1-1/2" as most parts places will give you.

The steel ones are:

Doorman #555037

or

Pik-a-Nut #362535

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp ... 9631879___
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thanks


How do i put the retainers back onto the valve stem!!! It's driving me crazy! I can't get the two little retainers into the circle retainer deal on the valve stem.
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1971ford wrote:thanks


How do i put the retainers back onto the valve stem!!! It's driving me crazy! I can't get the two little retainers into the circle retainer deal on the valve stem.
Should just slip right into place. Make sure you've got the spring compressed enough. Also, A little dab of grease on the inside of the keepers helps to "glue" 'em into place while you're releasing the spring compressor.
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yeah ijust can't get them to go back into the groove. As soon as i put the tapered pieces into the circle and try to slide it down the stem, it won't budge. So i can't even make it to the groove. I tried assembling it at the groove but i could get the second tapered piece in. I'll try again..
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Most problems occur when the spring isn't compressed enough to fit the keepers. Sometimes you have to carefully slide one 180* around the slot on the valve then install the other while moving the spring compressor a little. Be careful of your fingers getting pinched in there if something goes wrong. Always be aware that the spring and retainer could go shooting off with allot of force too.......

Been there done that :doh:

The valve stem should have assembly lube or a bit of oil /grease on them before you slide it in the valve guide.
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Thanks for the help, right after my last post i tried again and i guess i just needed to move the spring around a llittle while compressed. I took pictures of the process and will probably do a little how-to tonight. I had to use a 1/2" socket to break the outer retainer loose from the inner pieces, and a 3/4 socket before compressing hte spring to knock it loose.
Anyways, i have finished replacing all the valve seals. The first one took 45 minutes, each one after that took about 4 minutes. It went very quickly once you get the tricks down.

Now... I'm going to go return the tool and get the freeze plugs, oh and an oil filter to replace the fram, then i will clean the oil pickup screen, and i will re-assemble. Oh and the rear main seal, i keep forgetting about that. I have already cleared the heads of all debri, two of the passage ways were clogged. Not any more. The block seems good to go. I have scraped all the old gaskets off of everything too.

It should be all together later today..


edit: oh and how do i put the distributor back in. I pulled it out to pull the intake of course and is there a special way to get it back in? I marked where it was. Just jamb it in there with a little twist action? :?
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the two piece main seal isn't going in easily.
How do i get it in the block around the crank? I can't feed it in and turning the crank isn't helping. and which way does the seal go, One side has a groove and is taller and the other side slopes up to the tall part. Hard to explain.
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The lip (highest part) goes toward the front. Get the seal wet with oil, lay it on the crank as if you are going to just slide it into the groove, press the seal against (into) the crank on the side closest to the hole and rotate the seal in (hard to explain). Have someone rotate the crank in the direction you are trying to push the seal if necessary.
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