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Front and rear drum brake overhaul

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Ok, I'm jumping right into the whooooole enchilada: drums, shoes, wheel cylinders, master cylinder, e-brake cables....

I inherited "Clyde" several years ago, and know very little of her history. Before then, I'd never owned a full-size truck of any make, but I do have some experience with general auto repair. The old 360 seized, so I dropped a reman in back in 2006. (Don't know a whole lot about brakes, although I've replaced the front pads, calipers & rotors and rear shoes on my car.)

Clyde's stats: '70 F100, 360, 4x2, C6, PS, no PB

Once I get all the wasps out of her, she's going into my shop. :evil:

Any advice/warnings/tips? Initial plan is to start at the rear & work forward, but I'm open to suggestions.

Will I have to pull axle shafts either front or rear to accomplish the job? (If so, I hope wheel bearings are not too hard to find, should they be needed.)

New parts I already have: Drums, shoes, wheel cylinders, MCyl, e-brake cables, adjuster kits, brake hardware kits, LOTS of brake fluid.
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The best tip I have is to do one side at a time. That way you have the other side as a pattern if you get lost. That and adjust your shoes when you put your drums on so they barely drag before calling that side done. Oh yeah, and bench bleed your m/c before installing.
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Since you are doing a total overhaul, you may wish to consider using silicone brake fluid. I have that in all my classics and never worry about moisture or seized pistons. Brakes work perfectly everytime even after sitting long periods.
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You should not have to pull the rear axles unless your drums are really frozen. Front spindles should be left in place as well.

Get a good set of flarenut wrenches, and maybe a spring tool. Be prepared to replace the lines. I got mine here - http://www.inlinetube.com and they were 100% perfect fit. Others have made their own, so go with whatever makes you comfy.

Take your time and have bearing grease, cleaners, clean rags etc. for the front bearings, you may want to install new front bearings while you have em out (they are easy to find). Mine were fine, so I put the originals back in.

Sargentrs was dead on with doing one side at a time, saved my bacon more than once. The bench bleed suggestion is a good one as well. Saves a lot of work. I did the switch over to synthetic fluid, as Mach428 suggested, and have no regrets.

The harbor freight bleed tool was pretty useless to me, your mileage may vary. The wife did a great job of pumping the pedal, though! :lol:

All in all, a good days work if everything goes as planned (how often does it?). Good luck!
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I did all of this 2 years ago on my '69 short bed F-100 Ranger. I got all the replacement (drum brake) parts through O'Reilly Auto Parts. All four of my drums were still good so I just had them turned.

I removed my rear axles and replaced the bearings, axle seals, pinion seal and replaced the 3rd member-to-housing gasket. --actually, I pulled the whole rear end out, broke it down, pressure washed the housing inside & out, bead blasted the housing, drums, backing plates, U-bolts, etc., primed and painted all of them and fabricated a new 3/16" brake line across the rear of the housing. You wouldn't have to do this just to service your rear brakes ...but I figured while I was at it...

Currently, I've been bead blasting, priming and painting the disc brake/I-beam components from a '77 Ford F-100 to swap in place of my front drum/I-beam components. I wish I had had the disc brake parts two years ago when I was going through the front drums. ...It might be something you consider now before spending the money on front drum replacement parts.
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Thanks for all your replies and suggestions--Great shop tips!

I've had most of the parts for a couple of years, waiting for the time, place and motivation. So, already have drums & hardware for the front, but I wish I'd realized back then how relatively inexpensive a front disc upgrade would've been.

Thanks for the link, tbone6, stainless pre-bent lines are on the way. Things look pretty rusty and, after making tranny lines from scratch, I'd rather not do the bending for this project.

Ultraranger, I'm hoping the rearend checks out okay--I really don't want to go full teardown. Wait, perhaps "don't want to" isn't quite correct... :maybe: ..."not ready for all that" is more appropriate. :lol: (BTW, found your post this Sunday on flaring, tooling and fittings particularly informative.)

The wasps are all dead now & truck washed out. Will brush off some underside grime before rolling into the shop hopefully tomorrow.

Thanks again!
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Steel Clydesdale wrote:Thanks for all your replies and suggestions--Great shop tips!

I've had most of the parts for a couple of years, waiting for the time, place and motivation. So, already have drums & hardware for the front, but I wish I'd realized back then how relatively inexpensive a front disc upgrade would've been.

Thanks for the link, tbone6, stainless pre-bent lines are on the way. Things look pretty rusty and, after making tranny lines from scratch, I'd rather not do the bending for this project.

Ultraranger, I'm hoping the rearend checks out okay--I really don't want to go full teardown. Wait, perhaps "don't want to" isn't quite correct... :maybe: ..."not ready for all that" is more appropriate. :lol: (BTW, found your post this Sunday on flaring, tooling and fittings particularly informative.)

The wasps are all dead now & truck washed out. Will brush off some underside grime before rolling into the shop hopefully tomorrow.

Thanks again!
The standard fitting size for a 3/16" diameter brake line tube is 3/8"-24. A pair of 3/8"-24 fittings will come on the straight lengths of brake line tubing you get from the parts stores and you can also purchase the 3/8"-24 fittings individually from the parts stores. Ford also used specialty brake line fittings for 3/16" dia. tubing that came in 7/16"-24, 1/2"-20 & 9-16"-18 thread sizes. Very few if any parts stores will carry any of these last (3) fitting sizes and is more than likely something that would have to be special ordered off the internet.

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Double flaring brake line tubing. (sorry that some of the following photos are out of focus but, I think you will get the general idea of what I'm trying to explain here).

If you're fabricating your own brake (transmission or fuel) lines, and assuming you have cut the tubing off to length with a tubing cutter, it will leave a burr or ridge around the inside diameter of the tube. This burr needs to be removed to open the I.D. back up.

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This can be done with a reamer designed for tubing;

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...or, you can use a small diameter drill bit to ream the burr.

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Take a flat file and square up the tip of the tubing.

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Place the file on the tip of the tubing end at approximately a 45-degree angle to chamfer the outer edge.

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After the first two processes, you should have a piece of tubing with smoothly chamfered inner and outer diameters.

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Now, it's time to begin double flaring the tubing. Double flares are designed for 45-degree flares. The 1st stage of the double flare process involves the flaring 'button.' You will notice there is a 'step' on the button. Place the tubing into the flaring bar and adjust the tip of the tube to stick out above the surface of the flaring bar the same height as the thickness of the step on the button.

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Once you have the height of the tube set to the thickness of the step of the button on the flaring bar, insert the stem of the button into the end of the tube and then place the flaring yoke directly over the button and the end of the tube. --It's very important that the button/yoke are not off to one side or the other on the tubing end. They need to be directly centered, inline, over the tubing end. If it's off, you will get a deformed flare and it will be highly likely that it will be hard to make the line seal off when it's installed or, it may not seal at all.

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Tighten the flaring yoke down until the button bottoms out against the surface of the flaring bar.

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Remove the yoke and remove the button. Place the flaring yoke back on the flaring bar and tighten the yoke down on the end of the tubing. As in the 1st stage, make sure the flaring yoke is directly centered over the end of the tubing. WARNING! Unlike the 1st stage of the flaring process, DO NOT CRANK DOWN TIGHTLY ON THE FLARING YOKE DURING THE 2nd STAGE OF THE PROCESS!! You just want to get the 2nd stage of the double flare well-formed. You do not want to flatten the 2nd stage of the flare out against the 1st stage of it. Let the line fitting do the final compression of the double flare when you tighten the line assembly into its port.

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...Presto! One double flared 3/16" brake line...

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...ready to be hooked up to the port of a MC, brake valve or the end of a flexible brake line hose. (NOTE! IF you are flaring a line that is not straight, be sure to install your line fitting BEFORE you start flaring the line!)

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The process shown above is more or less the 'difficult' way to double flare lines. If you're lucky enough to have a hydraulic flaring/double flaring tool set (or a friend that has one), like this Mastercool set (part number 71475), your life will be a LOT easier. It's much faster than the manual flaring bar/yoke setup and produces production-quality flares/double flares each & every time. I paid just under $300.00 for this set. That may seem very expensive to some but if you've ever used one, you'll quickly learn that it's worth every penny. --NOTE; All preliminary line end deburring prep procedures still apply when using the hydraulic flaring tool.

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Hydraulic flaring ram, tubing dies, flaring die & double flaring die.

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Place the tubing into the tubing dies so that the tip of the tube is even with the outer edge of the dies.

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Place the tubing/dies into the flaring ram and tighten into place.

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Take the 1st stage flaring die...

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...and place it into the end of the flaring ram.

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Close the valve (the round knob on the side of the handle), twist the handle of the ram clock-wise to run the die up against the end of the tube and then start squeezing the lever on the handle 'til you feel the die bottom out.

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Remove the 1st stage die and insert the 2nd stage die.

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As with the manual flaring tools, don't crank down hard on the 2nd stage. You don't want the double flare flattened completely out. Again, final compression of the double flare should come when the line is tightened into the object it's going to be installed on.

One production-quality double flare!

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In addition to SAE double flares, the Mastercool hydraulic set will also make ISO metric bubble flares. If you were installing a modern MC (aluminum body with plastic reservoir) in a vehicle but still using the SAE brake valve, you could double flare one end of the tube and put a bubble flare on the other end. In this photo, I've installed a metric bubble flare and fitting, in the foreground of the example tube, and an SAE double flare and fitting on the opposite end.

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...same tubing example, from above, bent into a 90. (SAE double flare/fitting on the left, ISO metric bubble flare/fitting on the right).

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If you're going to fabricate your own lines, the temptation for most people is to put as little money possible into the fabrication tools. The old adage of; "you get what you pay for," definitely applies to line fabrication tools. Cheap line flaring tools generally results in hit-or-miss flares that may or may not seal off.

It's also tempting for many to buy the cheap 3-in-1 tubing benders. A 3-in-1 will never make the quality bends that an actual, quality, dedicated bender will make. --by, "dedicated," I mean a tubing bender that will only bend one diameter of tubing. As tubing reduces in diameter, the bending radius of the bender should become smaller (tighter) too. Pretty much all of the 3-in-1's I've seen had the same bending radius for all three tubing diameters. That would result in sloppier bends, if the radius of the bender is the same for all three tubing diameters.

I have 3 (dedicated) Imperial brand benders, one each for; 3/8", 5/16" & 1/4" diameter tubing. My 3/16" tubing bender (the black bender in the following photo) is a Rigid brand. (the flaring bar and silver tubing cutter is also an Imperial brand).

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You would also be wise to invest in some decent flare nut line wrenches.

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...a tip that could make your life (or someone else's) a lot better down the road; Many of us have experienced brake line fittings that would simply not break loose, even with a flare nut line wrench. It usually requires Vise-Grips which ends up chewing up and rounding off the flare nut fitting. Once you get the carnage apart and get ready to install the new line/fitting, take a moment to put a little Anti-Seize on the threads of the line fitting, just prior to connecting the fitting to the port. A little Anti-Seize goes a long way. Use it sparingly and don't coat the first two leading threads of the fitting. This will keep the Anti-Seize from getting into the brake system. I've done this for many years and have never had a problem of the Anti-Seize contaminating the brake fluid. Sooner or later, you will have to replace a MC, brake valve or brake hose. Coating the fitting threads means you will not destroy the fitting, the next time around. --the same can be done to the bleeder screws on a brake caliper or wheel cylinder.

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Bare threads.

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Applying a thin coat of Anti-Seize on the brake line fitting, --leaving the 1st two leading threads uncoated.

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Coated fitting threads, ready to be installed. --won't have to fight with this fitting to get it loose some years down the road.

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...with a little practice, you can make your own lines.

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Re: Front and rear drum brake overhaul

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Great info, ultraranger! Many thanks!

Just caught this post before hitting the rack--didn't get to work on Clyde today. (The water heater decided to rust out :roll:)

It's all good now, tho. What's another day? Gives the penetrating oil more time to work.....................
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The most important item, no one here even mentioned. Wear safety glasses when removing brake springs. I have too friends who only have one eye because they wern't wearing safety glasses while working on their brakes.
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68 Ford Stepside wrote:The most important item, no one here even mentioned. Where safety glasses when removing brake springs. I have too friends who only have one eye because they wern't wearing safety glasses while working on their brakes.
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Thanks for the safety tips.

I'm concerned about Clyde rolling while I'm working...yeah, got good wheel chocks and jackstands, but nervewracking nonetheless....Any tricks to share regarding support/stabilization?
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I used good quality jackstands and a couple of wheel chocks.
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I usually only do one corner at a time. That way I have 3 wheels on the ground at all times and I put it in gear so it can't roll far, if at all. Also use my phone to take a pic if I need to for reference.
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I have (6) jack stands like are pictured in the following link. They are rated for 6-tons each and have a 2 foot max height capability. 3-ton jack stands simply don't have enough height to be very useful.

I've worked on many vehicles that were totally off the ground, supported by jack stands, and never had a close call of the vehicle trying to fall off them (not saying it couldn't happen). It's just never happened in my experience. Of course, it goes back to simple common sense too -- like working on a flat concrete surface and definitely not on the ground (dirt).

Generally, I also place a floor jack either under the center of the rear end or at the front under the cross member, as a secondary back up.

http://m.oreillyauto.com/mt/www.oreilly ... ack+stands


This is the floor jack I have.

http://m.oreillyauto.com/mt/www.oreilly ... floor+jack
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Saturday already, and I've gotten only one rear wheel halfway done. Too many interruptions :wink:

Was a bear getting the parking brake cable out, but I managed to complete the disassembly with no other issues.

My wheel cylinder has pushrods--they looked really cruddy--so I cleaned up the tips with a no-scratch [censored] scrubber, then further along the rod with scotchbrite pad. Looks like they were tugging at the cylinder boots (the ends look 'puckered' compared to the new cylinder) but there was no evidence of leakage. They feel smooth now, even though they look very slightly pitted, but I plan to reuse them.

Well, back to the shop.................
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